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Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 452	Posted - 2012.07.26 12:51:00 - [1] - Quote High: Ion Blaster II x6 Assault Launcher II Mid: Named MWD X-L A. Shield Booster Adaptive Invuln II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Low: MFS II x 2 TE II Internal Force Field Array Rigs: Ancillary Current Router EM shield Thermal Shield Warrior II x 5 You need the Genolution implants to fit it. With damage implants I get 720 DPS with Void and 535ish DPS with Null. It tanks close to 1300 DPS for 47 seconds. 40k EHP.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 453	Posted - 2012.07.26 15:24:00 - [2] - Quote Sheynan wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: It tanks close to 1300 DPS for 47 seconds. 40k EHP. Which equals about 100k ehp in a "best-case" where the incoming damage does not exceed 1300dps and the pilot doesn't overboost. That's not that terrible overpowered actually. P.S: The fit does about 500dps before heat in a more generic situation without damage implants and with faction antimatter and warrior drones Medium hybrid 5% damage implant sells for under 10 million isk.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 453	Posted - 2012.07.27 04:41:00 - [3] - Quote If I am going to fit an active shield booster to my ship - it needs to produce enough reps to justify itself over a similar sized shield extender. Let's take a look. Harpy with one EM rig on: Adding a MSE gives you 1302 more shield and a regeneration rate of 45. If instead we add a MASB - we get 1606 injectable shield over 25.5 seconds. The natural shield regeneration rate is only 26 though. (45 - 26 = 19 difference) 25.5 seconds * 19 shield hp = 484.5 shield that the MSE can regenerate in the time it takes you to use the 10 charges on the MASB. 1302 + 484 = 1786 > 1606. It's pretty damn close. If i do just one more rep on my own cap then it's a justifiable fit. I'm going to have to consider my signature radius, alpha protection, ect in making a final decision. Eagle with two EM rigs and an Adaptive Invuln II: LSE II vs. LASB This one is more in favor of the LASB. Same math style. 3282 + 44.2 * (78 - 35) = 5182 < 5577. If we do one field extender rig plus the em rig i can get that first number up to 5360. It's still fairly close though. The X-L ASB is where the math totally gets blown away though. There is nothing to compare it to.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 454	Posted - 2012.07.29 06:09:00 - [4] - Quote A shield booster has to produce at LEAST as many hitpoints as a similar sized shield extender gives to justify its spot on a ship. In fact since a buffer also gives alpha protection and a higher natural shield regeneration rate, the booster should produce as many hitpoints and then some. Any kind of nerf beyond a 1 per ship rule and the ASBs will be ruined.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 455	Posted - 2012.07.29 21:49:00 - [5] - Quote Dual MSAB frigates are kind of meh. You have to give up alot of DPS in order to squeeze two onto such a small frame. They have a decent tank but when most Assault Frigates can do close to 300 DPS - and your super tanked frigate only does 150 or so - they can be beat down. On the whole Shield Extender to ASB comparison - it's a really thin line. If an ASB doesn't put enough HP in to equal the MSE - the module is worthless. If it puts in too much - obviously OP. If it's just right then you have to weigh alpha considerations vs. signature radius as some deciding factors. I've come to accept that these modules will probably have something done about them. I'm all for a 1 per ship limit. The original idea was a quick burst tank on a high DPS platform. You see three X-Large on a Mael and it causes you to roll your eyes though.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 455	Posted - 2012.07.29 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote It has different fitting requirements. 50 CPU is a pretty hefty chunk of CPU for any frigate. That's double an MSE's 25 CPU requirement. It's PG is 12 compared to 21 for the MSE. So it's different rather then 'lighter.' 50 CPU also means might skip damage mods to make room for it. As for nuet resistance - working as intended. You can't tell me that you aren't just a little sick of mandatory nuets on the utitilty highs of every single ship? God forbid we have to choose missiles and rockets and a little bit more DPS to beat down ASB fits. I have fought dual MASB frigates 1v1 three times in the recent past. I won two and lost the third after breaking it's tank. (Third time he had an off-grid booster.) In all three fights I had an Enyo whose tank consisted of a DC and a Explosive plate. I had nuetrons and a rocket launcher in the high. Gank > Tank on the frigate level.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 455	Posted - 2012.07.29 23:18:00 - [7] - Quote Nuets getting indirectly nerfed is a slap in the face to Winmatar. Again, working as intended.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 455	Posted - 2012.07.30 05:55:00 - [8] - Quote ASB give an impressive burst tank for a very short period of time. The only limit that should be considered is a one per ship limit. That would silence most of the OMG crowd. The really sick tanks rely on 2-3 billion in implants as well as 1 billion isk off-grid alt. Also - since the devs are considering making boosting an on grid activity- tanky Sleipners aren't a bad thing.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 516	Posted - 2012.08.18 23:23:00 - [9] - Quote ma perke wrote: here is a harpy fit which OH reps 410dps for 2,5 minutes. which cruiser c an kill that in reasonable time?? [Harpy, Harpy] Internal Force Field Array I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Light Ion Blaster II,Void S Light Ion Blaster II,Void S Light Ion Blaster II,Void S Light Ion Blaster II,Void S Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I destroyer, which is anti-frigate platform, can't kill that and actually will die to it. Interdictor too! ASB should be nerfed!! I killed four AC Thrashers yesterday in a Nuetrons blaster MSE Harpy. You just have to hold them at 8-9 km. their damage is crap there.
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 562	Posted - 2012.09.12 12:56:00 - [10] - Quote The second to last dev blog mentions that 'devs are testing the powerful yet controversial ASBs'. So a betting man would say there is some sort of nerf incoming for winter.

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